P.I.D. Radio at Future Congress: Terry James — Omega Signs

Terry JamesGEOPOLITICAL, SOCIOECONOMIC, and global religious realities are in near-perfect alignment with indicators Bible prophecy foretells will be present as Christ’s Second Advent approaches.

Terry James, General Editor of www.RaptureReady.com and co-author of The Departure: God’s Next Catastrophic Intervention Into Earth’s History, sat down with us July 24, 2011 at the Future Congress on Emerging Threats and Challenges to discuss today’s headline issues and events through the prism of ancient biblical prophecies.

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66 comments on “P.I.D. Radio at Future Congress: Terry James — Omega Signs

  1. Richie G.

    In John 14:1-4 Jesus gives several statements of fact,”In MY Father’s house are many mansions;if it were not so,I would have told you,I go to prepare a place for you(Indicative mood in greek -statment of fact)and if I go to prepare a place for youI will come again(indicative statement of fact) and receive you to myself,(Indicative mood statment of fact)That where I am,you ,there you may be also(future tense/indicative mood statment of fact). So to say that we are never going to leave is to call Jesus a liar. If you have the Holy Spirit and a brain that functions you know that ther are contradicting statments,there are dozens of verses that show Him coming back and taking us back with Him(IThess.4:13-18;1Cor.15;Philip is raptured and taken out proving that your interpretation of us never being taken out is proven wrong.Acts 8:39-that ends that argument!!!!),and none that say we will be here and never leave! Your the only person in the world that looks at someone giving the context of what they are saying,based on what the Bible says in other places,a negative or somehow deceptive act.You need to take a basic Bible study course and learn the importance of the Biblical context for the meaning of the verse or text,whatever you believe has to agree with the rest of scripture,your view of John 17:5 directly contradicts staements of fact that were said before it,by Jesus Himself,are calling Him a liar ,when he says He is coming back to take us to be with Him?? Like I said,actually study the issue before you reject it out of hand,there are some doctrines that don’t need to be studied or you have to keep an open mind about like,the Deity of Christ,the virgin birth,substitutionary death,literal physical resurrection of Christ,but prophecy needs to be studied and really looked at with an open mind to what all of scripture says,you havn’t even attmpted to look to see if my verses were corect or in context,which they are because I make sure they are,you just say I am wrong out of hand because you are not open to what the Bible teaches,yiou have a view and the heck with what the Bible says about it and if it contradicts your view,it somehow doesn’t count or it doesn’t matter. Like I said it is not a test of salvation or even fellowship,I have many close friends that are post trib and they are great people,we just happen to disagree.There is no reason for false accusations and saying that a person is condemned to hell,but for some reason that is how post tribbers act,I don’t get it. I wish you the best,like I said study and study and study and know why you believe something don’t just blindly follow some preacher or teacher,you will have to answer,as will I ,for the time and effort we put in to studying God’s word and what we taught others,not judged for salvation though,big difference.In the scope of things spending this much time and energy on the rapture is not really a wise use of our time.I was just reading the posts for Terry James who I have never heard before in my life,when I saw alot of accusations most personal,as usual with post tribbers and also saw alot of scripture being used completely out of context,so I jumped in,I didn’t mean for it to start a problem with you or anybody else. I will pray for you and have nothing against you personally,so I wish you the best.I hope I didn’t commit another sin by writing more words than you believe are allowed,but I think I will risk it.lol

    In Christ
    Richie G.

  2. aVoice

    Lengthy explanations so you can “understand” what the scripture is “really” saying.

    Inference over clarity.

    There is no end to wolves in sheep’s clothing

  3. Richie G.

    No ,your right,we are not to study to show ourselves approved or rightly divide the word,we are to take one verse and build an entire doctrine around it.And the Bible was written in English in 2010 and we should interpret it the way we think it should be interpreted according to what we think it should be.Also,you have convinced me that the Day of the Lord(Jewish),the time of jacobs trouble(Jewish) and the 70th week of Daniel(Jewish) is really all about the Church.You are very good at false accusations and name calling,if we were judged on that you would get many crowns,unfortunately for you,it is not a basis for crowns. I also,love the variations of your responses ,it is the same sentence with a new put down,really well thought out. What is John 14:1-4 referring to? We will try it this way,maybe I can draw one other statement out of you,if not,there is no point talking to you about this.And if you are going to accuse me of the things you are you accusing me(false teacher,in it for money,my personal favorite,plagiarism,a wolf in sheeps closing)show me where I was wrong or falsely stated one single thing,you accuse ,but have never backed up with one single example,that is cowardice in my opinion.And differing with the one verse you can come up with isn’t a reason for calling me any of those names,unless your infallible,which I know you are not.

  4. Richie G.

    Just one more simple question,I know more than 20 words are considered tricky and the work of the devil,but when Phillip was taken out,raptured,whatever word you want to use,was he taken out of the world? The answer is yes,so according to you either Jesus lied or the Father didn’t answer His prayer.Which one is it. That is no inference,it happened,explain how it happened if your view of Jn.17:15 is correct. That is not tricky, it is a simple question on a factual event,or is that question not allowed by you, who uses the one verse only matters and you don’t interpret scripture with scripture method of interpretation.You should write a book,you could put Jn 17:15 and blaam your done.lol

  5. aVoice

    I am pretty familiar with the scriptures but I cannot find anywhere that Philip is taken out of this world. He never left this world.

    Where did you get this? First Missler? Second, Third, Fourth Lahaye?

    Quote the scripture where he left the world and please, don’t try to interpret it for me as I am quite capable of understanding what it says for myself.

  6. Richie G

    You are an absolute clown! I have never read Lahaye,but I di enjoy Chuck Missler and have never once take one of his ideas and claimed it was my own,not once.Please show me where I did this. Missler is obviously pre trib and we both use the same book we are allowed to copy from,it’s called the Bible!But I have never plagiarized him or anyone else. You are nothing but a slanderer and a liar,which is not just my opinion,but an absolute fact. The names you have called me are dispicable,all because you can’t answer what I have shown you in the scriptures, I have backed up everything I said with verse after verse after verse and the best you can do is name call.
    Your right about Philip 100%,I wanted to make another point,but got completely off track and was wrong in my statements concerning Philip.Unlike you I am a man who can admit when I am wrong.
    I will ask you one more time and if you don’t answer this simple question that I have asked 5 times already I am done with you,because you have not said one thing that has edified anybody at any point in any of our conversations,not one! What is John 14:1-4 reffering to? A simple question.

  7. aVoice

    You admit you are wrong about Philip. Hmmm. Is it possible that you are wrong about the whole matter?

    Here is a quote from Oliver Cromwell:

    “I beseech you in the bowels of Christ think it possible you may be mistaken.”

    Is that possible?

    Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
    Joh 14:2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
    Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
    Joh 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

    What He says here is “When he comes” “He will receive us unto Himself”.

    Is it possible that His Father’s House is the Temple?

    John 2:16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise.

    Kinda looks like it.

    According to Paul, our body makes up the Temple, the Living Temple.

    He comes and receives us “unto Himself”. The ultimate Temple of God, “My Father’s House”.

    Joh_2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

    There is no question that “My Father’s House” and “This Temple” is the Messiah Himself.

    So the scripture says “He will come here, receive us to Himself” so “that where I am, there ye may be also.” Which in this case will be in Jerusalem. HERE ON EARTH!

  8. Richie G

    No it is not the Temple,because Jesus has not been building mansions in the Temple between then and when he comes. Now look at who is bringing in quotes and inferences to deny a simple questions answer. It was a nice try,but it doesn’t fit what he said.You left out two of the verses. He said “In my Fathers house are many mansions;if it wee not so I would have told you.(you can’t leave that out)I go to prepare a place for you,.And if I go to prepare a place for you I will come again and receive you to myself;that where I am you may be also.” He has been building mansions or preparing a place for us for over 2,000 years He says if I go ,I will come again,what is the point of mentioning mansions,if they have nothing to do with where He is taking us and when He says where I go you know,and the way you know.Where did Jesus go?To heaven,that is where the mansions are and that is where He is taking them,when He returns.You can’t leave out two of the verses and pretend they are not there.At the Second Coming He comes and stays on Earth for a thousand years at least,so there is no going back to where He was.The Church is the Bride correct,the Bride is in heaven with Christ before He returns(Rev.19:7-8-the particicples are in the Aorist tense which means they already took place and are not future).
    I realize you could not be respectful enough to accept someone admitting they were wrong,that is a major character flaw my friend. My making a mistake because of flippant remark,doesn’t change or takeaway from the hundreds of hours of studying I have put into both views of the timing of the rapture. It also doesn’t negate the 50 verses and that I have used to make 10 other points concerning the overwhelming evidence of the pre trib rapture,which you still have not read or at least refuted.
    At least you actually attempted to have a back and forth,but if you look at more closely,it can’t be the earthly Temple or Jesus Himself,because he has not been building many mansions in Himself or the physical Temple which is not built yet.Good attempt at using context and other verses though,see you do it too,you have to consider context and other scriptures or you could do nothing but repeat the verse verbatum.Thanks for no major insults,that was very Christ like of you.

  9. aVoice

    So you deny that Jesus is the Temple even though He says He is. And you deny that the Temple is “His Father’s House” even though Jesus says it is.

    The simple clear scripture says this. Period – end of story. If you don’t like it… bummer.

    It is simple: YOU cannot have Jesus define His own terms because that will screw up your pre trib dogma. God forbid that you would actually let the Messiah define his own terms. Unbelievable!!

    Jesus Himself says that He is the Temple and the Temple is His Fathers House and YOU DENY IT! I’d be watching out for lightening bolts if I were you.

    So I ask myself: Who should I believe? Richie G or Jesus? Missler or Jesus? La Haye or Jesus. I take Jesus every time.

    Again, in Richie G’s world anyhow, inference wins over clear scripture.

    I trust in Jesus. You on the other hand trust in inference.

  10. Richie G

    Dealing with you is like dealing with a five year old,please tell me your a teenager and not a grown adult,because your whole “you believe in infrerence and I believe what Jesus says” routine is not only foolish and immature and but not true.As if I am making up my own views out of thin air,like I have said, you need to take a course on how to study the Bible,because what you call inference is called backing up what you say with Biblical,historical, cultural and grammatical context,you really should try it sometime instead of just saying that everything you say is true becaue you say it is!!! Everyone who is serious about studying God’s word must do that pre or pro trib,just because you don’t know how doesn’t mean it is wrong!!
    Your statment of the Fathers house being the Temple is one possability,but not the only possability. The problem is it doesn’t fit the context,jesus did not go to the eartly temple and stay there until he returns,I hope you can at least admit that much,if not,I don’t know what to say ,because it is obvious He didn’t. If that is the only option then Jesus lost His home in 70AD,when the Temple was destroyed.
    Context matters,the conext of the passage is hey rough times are coming I am leaving and Peter you are going to deny me(ch 13 read it for yourself),but”LET NOT YOUR HEART BE TROUBLED;YOU BELIEVE IN GOD BELIEVE ALSO IN ME.IN MY FATHERS HOUSE ARE MANY MANSIONS IF IT WERE NOT SO I WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU.”so he is talking about the earthly Temple or his body there,that makes no sense and is not what is said or even inferred.”I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU.” Explain to me how you get from this that Jesus is saying he is preparing the earthly temple or His body,from what is said there? “AND IF I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU” he said I go to prepare a place for you,not in His body,not at the earthly Temple because that is not where He went,you cannot get that out of what Jesus said like you claim. “,I WILL COME AGAIN AND RECEIVE YOU TO MYSELF;THAT WHERE I AM THERE YOU MAY BE ALSO. Where is Jesus and where has Jesus been,not in the earthly Temple that is a fact,does Jesus say that IN me you may be,no!! so you are the one putting words in Jesus’ mouth ,not me!!! AND WHERE I GO YOU KNOW,AND THE WAY YOU KNOW” Jesus did not go to the earthly temple,he went to heaven to be seated at the righthand of God the Father,so where you come up with the Temple on earth or Jesus receiving us into His body,which spiritually happens at salvation,I have no idea,but don’t act so arrogant like Jesus said what you say he did.You violated what He said and the context of the entire passage.There is no one,not even post tribbers who will come up with this completely untrue ,unbiblical ,contrived interpretation. Everything you accuse me of,you actually did in your interpretation.
    You are not God and you are not my judge and have absolutely no Biblical authority to act like you are. You have no Biblical basis to continueously tell me that I better watch out etc.Studying God’s word and finding out what it means in the context of the language it was written in,the grammar used and the Biblical context is not something your judged for,in fact you are commanded to do it(2Tim.2:15). But arrogance,slander,lying and judging others when you are doing alot of worse things is hypocritical and will be judged. I will be judged for alot at the judgment seat of Christ ,but my interpretation of scripture is not one of them.Unfortunately for you slander and lying and false accusations are all characteristics of being unsaved,only God knows your heart,but your works sure don’t back up your words when it comes to what you say you believe,humility is a sign of salvation(Phil.2:5-11)which you exhibit none of.

  11. Richie G

    I am trying to make sense out of what you said but it makes no sense.You said that I “can’t even let the savior define His own terms,unbelievable.” Then you go and define the term for him,which makes no sense whatsoever. Jesus never used the word Temple,and you go off and say I am denying Jesus is the temple,what does that have to with Jn 14:1,nothing! It is obvious in context that the Fathers house is not the Temple,but heaven. The physical temple was destroyed in 70 AD,so what,the dwelling he was preparing were destroyed in 70AD,I am sure that brought great comfort to the disciples. You are the one who brought the word Temple in,not Jesus and then built the entire interpretation on the physical Temple and the Jesus being the nTemple,where Temple is never mentioned,and you have the berve to say that I am not letting Jesus speak for Himself. The term Father’s house is used of the earthly temple,but why is it called my Fathers house? Once Jesus was crucified the Temple sacrifices were no longer needed all sacrificial law and ceremonial law were fulfilled and on Pentecost the Holy Spirit indwelt believers.So why would Jesus represent a building that would be destroyed as His Fathers house referring to the future of where Jesus would be,that makes no sense at all according th what the scriptures say,not what I say,what the scriptures says.Show me a verse where it says Jesus was dwelling in the Temple afetr he died,you can’t because he didn’t go into the temple and dwell,after the ascension He went to heaven and that is where the Fathers house Jesus was referring to is located. If you are honestly going to tell me you think Jesus went to the earthly Temple to prepare a place for us,there is no point carrying on a conversation,because you truly will say anything to prove your point and context,grammar,vocabulary don’t matter and only what comes out of your mouth counts as truth,I don’t need to waste my time or yours because you have your own little private interpretation of scripture and that is that. And as for you statments about me not letting Jesus speak for Himself,that is all I care about!!! My goal is not to prove my doctrine through what is said ,but to get all of my beliefs from what the ext says. That is the whole point of the interpretation process,to find out what was written to the recipients in their history,culture,grammar,vocabulary and within the whole counsel of God and that is all I have done with every single statement I have made about what the text says. I have never said this is what Jesus means,but I do clarify the context of History,culture,grammar ,vocabulary and Biblical context of the passage in order to know what it means to and for us today,not changing what He said,but what it means to us today in our culture,history,grammar,vocabulary,there is a diffeence between the two and if you don’t get that ,that is your problem
    and like I said ,take a class on interpretation or a book on interpretation of the text,it is the most important thing you will ever do,when it comes to studying.

  12. aVoice

    I don’t need a “class” on interpreting the scriptures. I have the ultimate Teacher. He is called the Holy Spirit. Apparently, you took the class. No wonder you cannot accept the Messiah defining His own terms.

    I accept the definitions that the Messiah has given. I reject yours completely. Thus I reject your pre-trib garbage.

    Can you here that noise? That is the sound of me shaking the dust from my shoes and turning and walking away.

    Good bye.

  13. Richie G

    WOW YOU ARE SO SPIRITUAL AND MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THE MESSIAH NEVER USED THE WORD TEMPLE,NOT ONCE,YOU MADE IT UP,JUST LIKE YOU HAVE ACCUSED ME OF DOING,SO ADD HYPOCRITE TO YOU LONG LIST OF NON CHRISTIAN ATTRIBUTES.IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRE TRIB,IT IS ONE PASSAGE THAT YOU CAN’T EVEN BE HONEST ENOUGH TO INTERPRET THE WAY EVERY SINGLE PERSON,INCLUDING POST TRIBBERS INTERPRET THE PASSAGE.i WOULD RUN AWAY TOO IF ALL I COULD DO WAS MAKE INTERPRETATIONS UP OUT OF THIN AIR AS MY ONLY DEFENSE,I WILL PRAY THAT AT SOME POINT YOU WILL LEARN THE BASICS OF INTERPRETING THE SCRIPTURES.

  14. Richie G

    Wow it just hit me,I have been dealing with a girl,sorry female, this whole time and didn’t know it,that explains everything. The reason I know it is a girl/female is the “do you hear this sound it’s me walking away”, which would and could only be said by a girl,probably a young girl at that. That explains everything,the complete in ability to use any rational thought,for the constant verbal put downs,guys don’t do that because they know if they do they will get their head ripped off,out in the real world that is,the inability to listen to reason or anything anyone else says,it is so obvious now that I think about it. I apologize,if I knew it was a female I would have taken a completely different tact. But please do me one favor and take your interpretation to as many post tribbers as you can and see if they agree,I can gaurantee you they won’t. There is no way anyone would think that the term My Fathers house could only mean the Temple.Also,they would never think that Jesus, while comforting His disciples after telling them he is going to die,would comfort them by saying,”I go to the Temple and prepare the way for you,yeah sure it is going to get destroyed in 70 AD,but hey there will be mansions until then. He obviously,in context, is referring to heaven and that He would come again and take them where He had been preparing the way,there is no way to skirt that issue. To think the Fathers House is the physical Temple Just because Jesus called the Temple that once,totally and I mean totally ignores the context,which you think is somehow not important,but is very important.Of course we need the Holy Spirit,I have Him just the same as you do,but even with the Holy Spirit we are told to study God’s word and rightly divide it,context is part of that,whether you think it is or not.So please show it to other post ribbers and get the truth from someone you believe.Just the fact that you mentioned the pre trib view concerning this passage shows you interpreted it just to make sure it said the opposite,did the Holy Spirit tell you to do that? And like I said ,if I would have known it was a female I would have been much nicer and refrained from acknowledging your many lies,slanderous accusations and un Christian remarks and behavior,but it took me until your last “here that” remarks for me to catch on. I will leave you alone maam and I apologize for all of my rough statements.

  15. George

    [Hi PID. Check this out – what I ran into on the web.]

    PRETRIB RAPTURE SECRETS

    How can the “rapture” be “imminent”? Acts 3:21 says that Jesus “must” stay in heaven (He’s now at the Father’s “right hand,” Acts 2:34) “until the times of restitution of all things” which includes, says Scofield, “the restoration of the theocracy under David’s Son” which obviously can’t begin before or during Antichrist’s reign. (“The Rapture Question,” by long time No. 1 pretrib authority John Walvoord, didn’t dare to even list, in its scripture index, these too-hot-to-handle verses!) Since Jesus can’t even leave heaven before the tribulation ends, which is also when His foes are finally put down (made His “footstool,” Acts 2:35), the rapture therefore can’t take place before the end of the trib! (The same Acts verses were also too hot for John Darby – the so-called “father of dispensationalism” – to list in the scripture index in his “Letters” which covers Acts 2 and 3 much more comprehensively than Walvoord’s!)
    Paul explains the “times and the seasons” (I Thess. 5:1) of the catching up (I Thess. 4:17) as the “day of the Lord” (5:2) which FOLLOWS the posttrib sun/moon darkening (Matt. 24:29; Acts 2:20) WHEN “sudden destruction” (5:3) of the wicked occurs! The “rest” for “all them that believe” is also tied to such destruction in II Thess. 1:6-10! (If the wicked are destroyed before or during the trib, who’d be left alive to serve the Antichrist?) Paul also ties the change-into-immortality “rapture” (I Cor. 15:52) to the posttrib end of “death” (15:54). (Will death be ended before or during the trib? Of course not! And vs. 54 is also tied to Isa. 25:8 which is Israel’s posttrib resurrection!)
    Many are unaware that before 1830 all Christians had always viewed I Thess. 4’s “catching up” as an integral part of the final second coming to earth. In 1830 this “rapture” was stretched forward and turned into a separate coming of Christ. To further strengthen their novel view, which the mass of evangelical scholars rejected throughout the 1800s, pretrib teachers in the early 1900s began to stretch forward the “day of the Lord” (what Darby and Scofield never dared to do) and hook it up with their already-stretched-forward “rapture.” Many leading evangelical scholars still weren’t convinced of pretrib, so some pretrib teachers then began teaching that the “falling away” of II Thess. 2:3 is really a pretrib rapture (the same as saying that the “rapture” in 2:3 must happen before the “rapture” [“gathering”] in 2:1 can happen – the height of desperation!).
    Here are some Google articles on the 182-year-old pretrib rapture view: “Pretrib Rapture Politics,” “Pretrib Rapture Scholar Wannabes,” “Famous Rapture Watchers,” “Pretrib Rapture Diehards,” “X-Raying Margaret,” “Edward Irving is Unnerving,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Walvoord Melts Ice,” “Wily Jeffrey,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism,” “Scholars Weigh My Research,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” “Thieves’ Marketing,” “Appendix F: Thou Shalt Not Steal,” “Pretrib Rapture Secrecy,” “Deceiving and Being Deceived,” and “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty” – all by the author of the extremely accurate and highly endorsed book “The Rapture Plot” (see Armageddon Books).

  16. Richie G.

    First of all the pre-trib rapture view is not a 182 years

    old,the term post trib is not much older,but the teachings go

    back to the early Church.So we can play semantics concerning

    when the name of each doctrine was started,but that doesn’t

    prove anything one way or the other. It really comes down to

    your belief concerning your view on Israel and the Church,If

    the Church has replaced Israel,then the post Trib view is

    true,if the Church and Israel are two distinct groups,with

    different beginnings,different purposes and different

    destinies,then the pre trib rapture has to be true.

    The problem is we have been brain washed,by the teachings of

    Augustine and Origin,whcih became the teachings of the Roman

    Catholic Church and then later the Reformers teachings. The

    Reformers were great in two areas,justification by faith and

    the authority of scripture,but besides those two teachings

    they were no different than the RCC.They both believed in the

    allegorical interpretation of scripture,replcement theology

    and no physical kingdom,all of which are incorrect!!Which led

    to 1500 yrs of the misinterpretation of scripture especially

    concerning Israel,which they thought was gone forever.This

    resulted in the believing Church believing the only thing God

    cares about is the Church and we ignore obvious references to

    Israel and with our eyes glazed over just recite them without

    understanding the context of what is being stated.

    A perfect example is Matt.24: 16,20 and 21,in 24:16 it

    states,then let those who are in judea flee to the mountains.”

    Is there a big mega Church in Judea I don’t know about. Also

    in Rev 12 it is clear that it is speaking of the nation of

    Israel which flees into the wilderness,not the Church. In

    24:20 it says,” pray that your flight in may not be in

    winteror on the Sabbath.” Once again is the Church now in the

    their homes in Jerusalem and observing the Sabbath,of course

    not! It is speaking to the remnant of Israel that is the focus

    of the the 70th week of Daniel,not the Church. Dan. 9:24

    states, “70 weeks have been determined for your people and for

    your holy city.” The focus of the 70 weeks is Jews and

    Jerusalem,just like Matt 24 teaches. 24:21 is a quote from

    Dan.12:1 which states,”At that time Michael shall stand up,the

    great prince who stands watch over the people the sons of your

    people;And there shall be a time of trouble;such as never was

    since there was a nation,even to that time. and at that time

    your people shall shall be delivered,Every one who is found

    written in the book.” In Matt.24:21 states,”For then there

    will be great tribulation such has never been since the

    beginning of the world until this time,no,nor shall ever be.”

    It says the same thing and Dan.12:1 is clearly speaking of

    Israel and Jesus just quoted from Dan in verse 15 so it is not

    a stretch to think he would do it again.

    Another example of how we don’t even think of Israel because

    of the reformed influence that has corrupted our thinking is

    found in Matt 23:39 Jesus states,”For I say to you,you shall

    see me no more till you say blessed is he who comes in the

    name of the Lord.” Who is Jesus speaking to? Jerusalem and

    those who rejected Him,Jews. Hosea 5:15 says the same

    thing ,”I will return again to my place till they acknowledge

    their offense,then they will seek My face In their affliction

    they will earnestly seek Me.” It is Israel that will determine

    when the Lord returns,not the Church.

    As I said earlier,if you are a replacement theology

    guy,then ,I cannot argue with your view,because if the Church

    is Israel and Israel goes through the Tribulation,then the

    Church will as Israel,but if they are two distinct

    peoples ,then the Church must be raptured so God can save for

    Himself a remnant of Israel to go into the kingdom and

    reeceive the promises given to physical Jews who are saved.

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