Podcasters and authors have to promote and defend each other to keep themselves relevant.
They create a mini world of mutual promotion within the Church, exploiting the fact that in this day and age there are multitudes of us hungering and thirsting for fellowship and teaching and have no where better to turn. They have exposed the Body of Christ to more occult information that is probably healthy for most of us in the guise of preparing us to reach the unsaved involved in the occult. They give more airtime to paganism than they do the Gospel. There is NO Biblical precedent for that method of saving the lost. Our mandate is to GO AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS, not equip the Body with scientific speculation and all things pagan/occult. People are dying while we we are entertained by these “leaders.”
Remember the “Rich Young Ruler”
]]>: a three-dimensional image reproduced from a pattern of interference produced by a split coherent beam of radiation (as a laser); also : the pattern of interference itself
That’s the Merriam-Webster definition. Does that sound like anything remotely corporeal? Sorry, but you are taking liberties with the definition of a hologram. Clearly, there is a difference between a three-dimensional image and an actual, physical person. There is no rationalizing away the theological flakiness of this guy’s claims.
And, theology aside, the historical record reflects the fact that Jesus died in a corporeal form on the cross. Was his corpse a hologram, too? Just how dumb does he think people must be?
Your own theology stipulates that Jesus had to die in the flesh to save us. Are you changing your mind now? I thought that the spirit of antichrist doesn’t acknowledge that Jesus came in the flesh.
I’ll say it again… sounds like docetism to me.
If the purpose of this program is to witness to others, it ain’t workin’. Nobody’s going to worship a hologram. Sorry, that’s just the way I see.
]]>We have acquired an ongoing business and property in the middle of the North Island of New Zealand called the “River Lodge” (www.riverlodge.co.nz). The Lodge will continue to operate as it has in the past, as a wedding facility and corporate retreat center, and will be somewhat of a “tent-making ministry” as we reach for our real goal, which is to create the “Koinonia Discipleship Center.”
And here are the prices:
Day Pass:
Saturday day sessions only, includes morning tea and lunch
(9 AM-4:30 PM)
$75 per person
Day Plus Pass:
Saturday day sessions, includes morning tea, lunch, dinner and Evening session (9 AM-9 PM)
$125 per person
Weekend Pass:
Accommodation Friday & Saturday, dinner Friday, meals Saturday, breakfast Sunday, plus all sessions (Fri-Sun), plus DVDs of weekend
$300 per person – Twin Share (Note: if a single or an odd number of people are booking with the twin-share option, we will match you up with another twin-share of the same sex. Rooms have two queen beds)
$400 per person – Single (own room)
Not only that he is acquiring other properties around the world. This happens to be his latest.
Now, Derek, where is that in the scripture? That is, to amass wealth and property and charge people to become your disciple? Where is that?? First Chuck 1:1??
This guy is in for the money BIG TIME. And if he plagiarizes along the way… as long as it turns a buck.
]]>My point was that if Chuck Missler is in this for the money, he’d give away a lot less of his material. It takes time and money to produce audio, video, and print resources, and a lot of it, as you’ll see if you click those links I offered, is available to you at no charge whatsoever. Nobody is forcing you or anyone to buy Chuck’s books, tapes, or DVDs, nor does he require a subscription fee to download the mp3 archives of his radio program.
Now, I can’t speak to the plagiarism issue because I haven’t researched it. It appears that there is truth behind these claims. If he has in fact appropriated material without credit or compensation, he absolutely should apologize and make amends with the aggrieved party or parties.
My defense of Missler is limited to this: People accusing him of teaching New Age occultism are flat wrong. Some of those same people are accusing Sharon and me of New Age heresy for daring to look into phenomena like transhumanism and the vampire/werewolf fascination of today’s youth.
Apparently calling attention to these issues is, in some minds, akin to luring people into these aberrant beliefs. Follow that thinking to its logical end and you find book burnings. It would seem that we’re better off to pretend these things don’t exist rather than trying to present a biblical defense for the hope we have in Christ.
Shame over defending that position? No, sir.
]]>How did Jesus do His ‘business’ model.
IT’S A BUSINESS!!! IT’S for money!!!
Plus, he has never repented from his plagiarism. He made money from it. Why didn’t he give that money to the guy he plagiarized? Because the money is more important than the principal.
Again, shame on you for continuing to defend him.
]]>You’re entitled to your opinion, of course. And there are issues about Chuck and source material that are worth noting.
You might also mention that Chuck gives away a lot of his stuff. About 937 articles, if my math is correct, at this page alone.
You can also subscribe to his podcast and download all those programs free of charge. I have about a month’s worth on my iPod right now.
If you prefer video, there is the Koinonia House Youtube channel. I lost count after three dozen on the first page.
You can also subscribe to his mailing list for free. That’s a lot of content available at no charge whatsoever.
Now, you can disagree with his teachings or his methods, and that’s fine. If he’s in this just for the money, however, he’s got a lousy business model.
]]>Prices:
General: $85
KI Member: $70
Sunday Brunch Cruise
$75 (Does not include conference admission)
KI Workshops (KI Members only)
$50 (Does not include conference admission)
Dinner and Q&A with Chuck Missler & Joseph Farah
$75 (Does not include conference admission)
Just think, you could have a private dinner with Chuck and actually ask him questions. But it’s going to cost you an extra 75 bucks. And they added 200 bucks of extras from the 85 bucks it cost to get in.
I could see Paul pulling this kind of crap. Or even John the baptist.
This guy makes me sick. Shame on you Derek for defending this rascal.
]]>Nor is he using modern science–and I suggest that the last quarter-century is, in the scope of human history, “recent”–to explain the Bible. Rather the opposite: His purpose, to the best of my understanding, is to show that the Bible had it right all along and that we don’t need modern science to understand the nature of the cosmos.
I appreciate your desire to hold fast to the Truth. I just think Missler is shooting at the same target.
]]>This passage is the definition for the Spirit of AntiChrist.
Here are some things that this passage DOES NOT say;”
“And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is the SON OF GOD, GOD HIMSELF is not of God”
“And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is the SAVIOUR OF MANKIND is not of God”
“And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is KING OF KINGS is not of God
The problem of this theory is that it rejects Jesus coming in the Flesh. Who would think that would be a problem, but I guess it is. A hologram is made of light. Not flesh. Jesus being an illusion would by definition be not real, therefore not Flesh. A phantasm is insubstantial by definition not flesh as I guess Missler thinks his desk is. This is also cousin of the Gnostic believe that Jesus was a Spirit and didn’t leave footprints.
You said Derek, that Missler is now using recent discoveries to prove scripture. He’s not. There is no part in the Bible that has been a secret that has only now had an acceptable explanation. I would as a note also point out the word recent; this is not recent. Missler has been pushing this idea for about 25 years now even before these brand new scientific break throughs. I had a few of his first books these ideas are in there. He has not suddenly stumbled on a eureka moment in light of hard scientific facts he’s believed this for a long time, in spite of a lack of hard scientific facts.
I hope that this helps you, my aim is to keep the Bride of Christ pure in my own very small way.